Uhm, ... (rearranging quotes a bit) ... that's nice, but did you read what
I wrote? :-) (okay, so it was a bit long) ... I can at least pencil myself
in for that date (2005-10-18), but may not be able to confirm that date for
a fair while yet. Perhaps I'll know quite a bit more about my schedule in the
upcoming weeks, ... but then again some of it may not be settled for a fair
while yet.
Nov., Dec., Jan., Feb. BALUG meetings are meeting dates I could almost
certainly make. Sept., Oct. (and …
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still rather uncertain.
Quoting Dick Verna:
> Thank you for volunteering to speak. The date for your presentation is
> October 18th, 2005. That is the third Tuesday of the month.
>
> Dick Verna
> Michael Paoli wrote:
> >The most noteworthy question (or question mark) is when. I've got a
> wildcard
> >on my calendar that might land most any place mid-September through
> October
> >on my calendar at present, so might not be able to commit to September or
> >October BALUG meeting date until perhaps as late as nearly mid-September
> for
> >September, and might not know until later for October.
> >November, December, January, and February BALUG meeting dates would likely
> >be safe dates to target if we wanted to schedule it that far in advance
> (I'd
> >have to double check my calendar, but most likely those dates are all
> clear
> >(or clearable) at this point in time.)
>
> >Okay, ...
> >
> >An available speaker/presentation that would likely go over well and be
> >rather/quite useful, and perhaps we could draw in a fair (to largeish?)
> crowd
> >of folks, ...
> >
> >Shell Programming (or Shell Scripting or ... anyway, whatever precise
> title
> >gets picked) ...
> >
> >I think last time, at least prior to this month, that was brought up /
> >mentioned / suggested for a meeting presentation, it was well under a
> >year after we'd had quite similar (at least in terms of general topic)
> >speaker and presentation:
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
> >(why that was on the talk list, and apparently not the announce list is
> >another matter)
> >and I thought it would be rather redundant to cover something rather to
> quite
> >similar so soon, ... but now, ... it's been, ... well, it'll be about a
> >year by this September's BALUG meeting, and over a year by the October
> >meeting.
> >
> >Anyway, the presentation and approach, etc. is comparatively different
> than
> >Mark G. Sobell's, so even if the topic's been done for a presentation as
> >recently as 2004-09-21, it's sufficiently different in delivery and
> materials,
> >etc. that it shouldn't be horribly redundant for those that may have also
> >caught the 2004-09-21 presentation.
> >
> >Let's see, ... and when, ... 2005-09-20 or 2005-10-18 or later may be
> >possibilities, ... but may not be able to confirm date until approximately
> >early-ish September.
> >
> >Feedback on the materials and such have been quite positive, e.g.
> including
> >quotes such as: "I've attended other scripting classes, one taught by a
> >professional instructor and one by a PhD. Neither of these compare to
> what
> ><presenter> was able to accomplish." (that was for a compact one-day
> >presentation and mini-lab on that topic and those materials by presenter).
> >
> >Oh, ... and what presenter? That Michael Paoli person again, a.k.a.
> >yours truly.
> >
> >Anyway, I've done presentation (and mini-lab) as a dayish long thing (I
> think
> >it was <~=6 hours, including lab time and exercises), ... have also done
> >preparations before for doing it as presentations somewhere in the range
> of
> >an hour or two. Anyway, without "lab" and exercises and such (but perhaps
> >with some tiny mini-demos) I could whittle and squeeze it to within <~=75
> >minutes (which is about as much "real" presentation time as we end up with
> at
> >BALUG meetings).
> >
> >
> >So, ... anyway, what do you all think regarding cut-off date for
> announcement
> >and such? Certainly more lead time is better to let folks know and plan
> and
> >mark their calendars and such, but a reasonable yay or nay deadline date
> to
> >plan for and announce a speaker? ... maybe we want to try and answer that
> >question in general - then perhaps answering the specific case at hand
> follows
> >logically from the general answer.
> >
> >I suppose in cases where leading right up to the meeting, we don't have a
> >speaker/presenter lined up, we could still have someone show up relatively
> >last minute as available to do a presentation ... but probably need at
> *least*
> >a few days for most folks to even catch the announcement and possibly show
> up,
> >and preferably week(s) or more for most folks that would want to come to
> any
> >specific presentation to be able to mark and/or clear/arrange their
> calendars
> >so that they'd be able to come. And where we have opportunity to schedule
> and
> >announce a speaker/presenter reasonably well in advance, as opposed to
> quite
> >last minute(/hour/day/...) arrangements, it's probably much preferable to
> get
> >them scheduled and announced suitably in advance.
> >
> >So, ... yes, I can certainly do a presentation on shell
> scripting/programming,
> >but mostly a matter of confirming a suitable BALUG meeting date, and being
> able
> >to confirm it sufficiently well in advance as to be rather to quite
> useful.
> >
> >Anyway, I can put together text that can be used for an "announcement" to
> be
> >sent out (and web page blurbs, etc.) when we've got a confirmed "go" date.
> >
> >Maybe we could even manage to have someone other than the presenter send
> the
> >announce e-mail out when such a time comes - might at least look a hair
> more
> >objective. :-)
> >
> >references/excerpts:
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
> >http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-April/000027.…
> >http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-May/000028.ht…
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-May/000032.h…
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-May/003288.html
> >http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/
> >(I still have some tweaks/updates to upload to stuff around that URL
> above)
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Okay, ...
An available speaker/presentation that would likely go over well and be
rather/quite useful, and perhaps we could draw in a fair (to largeish?) crowd
of folks, ...
Shell Programming (or Shell Scripting or ... anyway, whatever precise title
gets picked) ...
I think last time, at least prior to this month, that was brought up /
mentioned / suggested for a meeting presentation, it was well under a
year after we'd had quite similar (at least in terms of general topic)
speaker and …
[View More]presentation:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
(why that was on the talk list, and apparently not the announce list is
another matter)
and I thought it would be rather redundant to cover something rather to quite
similar so soon, ... but now, ... it's been, ... well, it'll be about a
year by this September's BALUG meeting, and over a year by the October
meeting.
Anyway, the presentation and approach, etc. is comparatively different than
Mark G. Sobell's, so even if the topic's been done for a presentation as
recently as 2004-09-21, it's sufficiently different in delivery and materials,
etc. that it shouldn't be horribly redundant for those that may have also
caught the 2004-09-21 presentation.
Let's see, ... and when, ... 2005-09-20 or 2005-10-18 or later may be
possibilities, ... but may not be able to confirm date until approximately
early-ish September.
Feedback on the materials and such have been quite positive, e.g. including
quotes such as: "I've attended other scripting classes, one taught by a
professional instructor and one by a PhD. Neither of these compare to what
<presenter> was able to accomplish." (that was for a compact one-day
presentation and mini-lab on that topic and those materials by presenter).
Oh, ... and what presenter? That Michael Paoli person again, a.k.a.
yours truly.
Anyway, I've done presentation (and mini-lab) as a dayish long thing (I think
it was <~=6 hours, including lab time and exercises), ... have also done
preparations before for doing it as presentations somewhere in the range of
an hour or two. Anyway, without "lab" and exercises and such (but perhaps
with some tiny mini-demos) I could whittle and squeeze it to within <~=75
minutes (which is about as much "real" presentation time as we end up with at
BALUG meetings).
The most noteworthy question (or question mark) is when. I've got a wildcard
on my calendar that might land most any place mid-September through October
on my calendar at present, so might not be able to commit to September or
October BALUG meeting date until perhaps as late as nearly mid-September for
September, and might not know until later for October.
November, December, January, and February BALUG meeting dates would likely
be safe dates to target if we wanted to schedule it that far in advance (I'd
have to double check my calendar, but most likely those dates are all clear
(or clearable) at this point in time.)
So, ... anyway, what do you all think regarding cut-off date for announcement
and such? Certainly more lead time is better to let folks know and plan and
mark their calendars and such, but a reasonable yay or nay deadline date to
plan for and announce a speaker? ... maybe we want to try and answer that
question in general - then perhaps answering the specific case at hand follows
logically from the general answer.
I suppose in cases where leading right up to the meeting, we don't have a
speaker/presenter lined up, we could still have someone show up relatively
last minute as available to do a presentation ... but probably need at *least*
a few days for most folks to even catch the announcement and possibly show up,
and preferably week(s) or more for most folks that would want to come to any
specific presentation to be able to mark and/or clear/arrange their calendars
so that they'd be able to come. And where we have opportunity to schedule and
announce a speaker/presenter reasonably well in advance, as opposed to quite
last minute(/hour/day/...) arrangements, it's probably much preferable to get
them scheduled and announced suitably in advance.
So, ... yes, I can certainly do a presentation on shell scripting/programming,
but mostly a matter of confirming a suitable BALUG meeting date, and being able
to confirm it sufficiently well in advance as to be rather to quite useful.
Anyway, I can put together text that can be used for an "announcement" to be
sent out (and web page blurbs, etc.) when we've got a confirmed "go" date.
Maybe we could even manage to have someone other than the presenter send the
announce e-mail out when such a time comes - might at least look a hair more
objective. :-)
references/excerpts:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-April/000027.…http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-May/000028.ht…http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-May/000032.h…http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-May/003288.htmlhttp://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/
(I still have some tweaks/updates to upload to stuff around that URL above)
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I'll probably bring some magazines and possibly some T-shirt(s) from
LinuxWorld (and possibly also Picn*x14) - and perhaps some additional stuff.
I gave some other folks (mostly a few co-workers) a noon Tuesday deadline to
make a claim on any of the stuff they'd be interested in - I think that
deadline's likely to pass with nearly zero claims made.
Other items of potential note:
Next time LinuxWorld comes to San Francisco, looks like it'll be
2006-09-19 - 2006-09-21. 2006-09-19 is regular …
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we might have very good opportunity to find and recruit a big-draw
speaker/presenter, and draw a rather to large crowd from LinuxWorld. We might
also have opportunity to get corporate sponsors to assist with such an
event in various ways (give-away prizes, etc.).
I think I mentioned it before, but I'll mention again, other user groups
do often have agenda-less/speaker-less meetings, yet the meetings go quite
well, e.g. Bay Area Debian (BAD) and Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) don't
have formal programs/agendas/speakers. The last BAD meeting was quite
lively and well attended (24 people (23 for dinner, one needed to depart
prior to dinner to meet up with another scheduled engagement)).
Of course, having a more formal program or agenda can work better for
larger crowds (e.g. perhaps >~=35 people).
references/excerpts:
http://www.idgworldexpo.com/live/99/TB216964http://bad.debian.net/http://www.buug.org/
Quoting Michael Paoli:
> Reminder: BALUG meeting this Tuesday, 2005-08-16, 7:00 P.M. PDT. at
> Four Seas Restaurant
> 731 Grant Ave.
> San Francisco, CA 94108-2113
>
> At this time we don't have a scheduled speaker, but that doesn't
> prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings. [Have questions
> or a topic you'd like discussed? Bring your own "agenda", talk/ask about
> items
> on it at the meeting, and it'll likely then be something we talk about :-)]
>
> We will likely also have some giveaway items ("door prizes") at this
> meeting.
>
> references:
> http://www.balug.org/
>
http://www.balug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagenam…
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Unfortunately I can't say that there are presenters/speakers that I
particularly know and am aware of that would likely make for a reasonably
pertinent and good presentation, nor to I have lots of time to try and
scare any up (okay, so I got someone I know to do an LVM presentation, but
other than that ... well, maybe with some arm twisting could get the same
person to do a good presentation on introduction to shell programming - but
as we had something like that some months back ... and same …
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couple months back - perhaps save that for at least a few months or more
down the road).
Anyway, there was mention, I think to the list, about
"speaker's bureau" - I think that perhaps SVLUG coordinates, or at least
is aware of. Anyway, maybe if we can drum up some volunteer(s) with
a bit of time/energy, perhaps they could work some of the various
resources to come up with speakers for BALUG.
Also, perhaps we can get a volunteer to do at least a trace of publicity
for BALUG, ... most notably getting out at least a notice or two a month
to the BALUG announce list - if we have speaker/presentation lined up, they
could get announcement out fairly early, and also pass the information on
to other user groups and such, and also send out a fairly timely "reminder"
notice perhaps roughly about 5 or 6 calendar days ahead of the regular
meetings, reminding folks about the speaker (if we have one), and in any
case about the meeting in general (if there's no formal speaker or such,
they could highlight some of the typical interesting discussions that
happen at the BALUG meetings even without any formal presentation).
Quoting Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>:
> Dick is Michael Paoli the person you had in mind to ask about acquring
> speakers and scheduling the speakers for Balug? I think he could do a good
> job if is willing to do the job.
> I will expect you to contact him about doing the job.
>
>
> Larry Platzek larryp(a)inow.com
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